Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

Anyone know of the Navy Reserve involuntarily grabbing members of their IRR? I've heard rumblings, but nothing specific. Just like to be prepared.

Apparently this is legal and the other branches have indeed been doing it.q

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/f...20%20%20%20%20

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle E - Reserve Components
PART II - PERSONNEL GENERALLY
CHAPTER 1209 - ACTIVE DUTY

-HEAD-
Sec. 12319. Ready Reserve: muster duty

-STATUTE-
(a) Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary of Defense, a
member of the Ready Reserve may be ordered without his consent to
muster duty one time each year. A member ordered to muster duty
under this section shall be required to perform a minimum of two
hours of muster duty on the day of muster.
(b) The period which a member may be required to devote to muster
duty under this section, including round-trip travel to and from
the location of that duty, may not total more than one day each
calendar year.
(c) Except as specified in subsection (d), muster duty (and
travel directly to and from that duty) under this section shall be
treated as the equivalent of inactive-duty training (and travel
directly to and from that training) for the purposes of this title
and the provisions of title 37 (other than section 206(a)) and
title 38, including provisions relating to the determination of
eligibility for and the receipt of benefits and entitlements
provided under those titles for Reserves performing inactive-duty
training and for their dependents and survivors.
(d) Muster duty under this section shall not be credited in
determining entitlement to, or in computing, retired pay under
chapter 1223 of this title.

-SOURCE-
(Added Pub. L. 101-189, div. A, title V, Sec. 502(a)(1), Nov. 29,
1989, 103 Stat. 1436, Sec. 687; renumbered Sec. 12319 and amended
Pub. L. 103-337, div. A, title XVI, Secs. 1662(e)(2), 1675(c)(10),
Oct. 5, 1994, 108 Stat. 2992, 3018.)

-MISC1-
AMENDMENTS
1994 - Pub. L. 103-337, Sec. 1662(e)(2), renumbered section 687
of this title as this section.
Subsec. (d). Pub. L. 103-337, Sec. 1675(c)(10), substituted
"1223" for "67".

EFFECTIVE DATE OF 1994 AMENDMENT
Amendment by Pub. L. 103-337 effective Dec. 1, 1994, except as
otherwise provided, see section 1691 of Pub. L. 103-337, set out as
an Effective Date note under section 10001 of this title.

http://www.homestead.afrc.af.mil/new...p?id=123048971

IRR muster gathers veterans, provides information and opportunities
IRR Muster
Jordan Roman, a former crew chief and senior airman, talks with Senior Master Sgt. Katdo Robinson during an Individual Ready Reserve muster at Homestead Air Reserve Base April 14. Sergeant Robinson represents the 482nd Maintenance Group, and was on hand to provide vets with information about job opportunities at Homestead ARB. Mr. Roman is one of approximately 80 former service members who reported to the base for the annual muster, which gave them the opportunity to receive updated information about the military while fulfilling their obligation to keep their military records updated. (U.S. Air Force photo/Jake Shaw)

by Jake Shaw
482nd Fighter Wing Public Affairs

4/16/2007 - HOMESTEAD ARB, Fla. -- 4/14/2007 - HOMESTEAD AIR RESERVE BASE, Fla. - the 482nd Fighter Wing conducted a muster here today for 80 Individual Ready Reservists.

The IRR Muster Program, mandated by Title 10 United States Code Section 12319, ensures the Air Force can "reach out and touch" the IRR population when necessary. IRRs are mostly military personnel who have served on active duty but have a military service obligation remaining.

Annually, the Air Force Reserve Personnel Center in Colorado orders IRR Airmen to report to a military installation within 150 miles of their residence. Upon arrival, their records are updated and they receive a basic medical screening and several briefings. IRRs are paid for their time in accordance with Title 37 U.S.C., Section 433. Homestead Air Reserve Base volunteered to host the annual muster for South Florida Veterans.

After arriving, the IRRs were welcomed by 482nd Maintenance Group Commander Col. T. Glenn Davis, who thanked them for participating in the muster. He also gave them an update on opportunities available if they are interested in joining the 482nd Fighter Wing.

The colonel started with a question; "Why would you want to come here? Well, this is the finest F-16 unit on the planet, and we've got the numbers to back that up. We have the highest mission completion rate in the entire Air Force right now."

Col. Davis added that the 482nd Fighter Wing is gaining 9 jets this year and needs more people. For certain jobs you can receive a $15,000 bonus and full-time maintenance positions start at about $24 per hour.

After the welcome brief by Col. Davis, the vets talked with representatives from the Miami Vet Center, received medical screenings, updated their ID cards, employment and education information and talked with Air Force Reserve Recruiters who also attended the gathering.

Air Force Reserve recruiters attended the muster for a specific reason; to provide information. According to 482nd Fighter Wing senior recruiter Senior Master Sgt. Alex Vazquez, "This is not a recruiting event, but people leave the military for various reasons, and we are here today to let them know about the options available to them in case their life situation has changed recently."

For many of the attendees, their life situations had changed, but they were concerned about the muster, given the current military situation.

"I wasn't surprised when I got the letter in the mail informing me of today's muster, because I understand why we're doing this. This will help make the mobilization process easier if it's necessary, and besides, this is what we all signed up for," said Nathan Christar, a former senior airman who spent four years as a security forces member.

"There's no chance I'll sign up today, but I have no problem showing up to fulfill my obligation," he added.

Others felt differently about the muster.

"I was shocked to get a letter in the mail telling me to come to a muster at the base," said Jordan Roman, a former senior airman who spent four years as a crew chief before leaving the military about one year ago.

"But I showed up despite my shock and concern, and I'm glad I did. I asked a lot of questions and got some good information and now I'm thinking about joining the unit here," said Mr. Roman.

Capt. Paul Hubenthal, 482nd Fighter Wing Military Personnel Chief, summed up the day's event for all who attended, "Today we provided an easy opportunity for IRRs to fulfill their responsibilities, and we also paid them for showing up. I believe we delivered a service to everyone and gave them some good information, despite much of the apprehension they expressed about participating in this event."

Of 80 attendees, 20 expressed interest in joining the Air Force reserve, according to Sergeant Vazquez.

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Hmm, You know at first after reading some of these post, I now understna dthat some of you are going about this all the wrong way. I served 4 years and am at my last 8 months until i'm finished with my ob"blow"gation. For the past 3 years I have been getting these letters in the mail about updating my information. I for one was not going to. Now I get this muster duty crap, and am required to go. I am not going to fight for a cause that can't possibly be won. The only way this will end is by Civil War.

With all of that said above I look at it like this: by law a recruiter can "not" send you orders to attend a day so they can lay their crap on you. They can only gain access to your phone number to call and request you come in. This letter tells me "business". If they want me to come in and update my information, whats the point? You already have it considering you sent me the letter.

After I got this letter I called a few close buddies in high places still in, and what did they say? Army is planning on bulking up 90+ thousand. Where are they getting these numbers? your guess is as good as mine. I was also told and pretty much had the idea already: Uncle Sam has a reasoning behind everything he does.

I have called the retention officer here at the number on my orders, and he said by no means is this a way to get people here to mobilize them. Do I believe him? a little, he isn't worried about numbers like recruiters.

What am I doing? I for one am going to attened this. I'm too close to being totally done to spend 10 to 15 years behind bars because I chose not to. Whats the wosre that coukl happen? Mobilization? Naw if so that falsifying legal documentaion. if you do attend just remember to read everything......... EVERYTHING even if it takes 6 hours. Do not let them make copies of personal information, ie: drivers license, or social security card. Never sign until you fully understand. Even if you need to come back.

People who are close to being totally done, I have lookad at a few options. If you sign up for the reserves, you can get a 12 month no mobilization contract. This will eat up the rest of your time making certian you stay in country. When moving to the reserves you are not required to reenlist. Basically you go to drills once a month and if you do not like it at the end of you ob"blow"gation, you can get out. Remember your still in country because of the 12 month no mobiliztion crap.

Things I don't know: Can they stop loss you hold you in the reserves just to deploy you because of the 12 months.

Thanks for the time.

angry

My mistake its 24 months.... Might be the best option for those not willing to go back over seas like me. why the hell would I do this? Well I look at it like this: 1. Do nothing and either a. complete my ob"blow"gation with out deployment. or b. be 2 weeks from being out and get some orders for 14 months over seas. !@#$ that. or I could 2. enter the guard or something like that and stay here under the 24 months stabilization rule. finish out my ob"blow"gation of around 7 to 8 months and be totally done with it.

This is getting old. I'll take charge of my own faite, you guys can choose not to go and think nothingof it, but there are consequences.

Thanks again

Angry IRR

To the wives and any other wives reading this, the "not even gonna show him the letter" was not as much of a joke as it seems. I wish my wife had done that, now I wouldn't be at war with myself over this. Seriously, if there are punishments for no-shows (more on this later) I don't see how someone who really never knew wouldn't have an airtight defense if they wanted to change his discharge status or something. And you wives of course aren't subject to the UCMJ, so the army's got nothing on you.

So here I am, muster orders in hand, torn in half... half of me is of course on the side of those saying "man up, it's probably just an effort to recruit you anyway, not worth changing discharge status over (esp. with federal law enforcement in my future)". The other half of course, says remember how bureaucratically jacked up the army is, like last time they tried to call back some from the IRR those who didn't show up just slipped through the cracks, and so just because they have your address doesn't mean showing up won't mean fucking yourself by getting yourself on a "list", etcetera. The argument of helping out the active duty guys sounds good on paper, but when you've spent more nights sleeping in the dirt of a combat zone than half of those guys have days in which they handled a weapon... and that the army nearly killed my marriage during both of my year long combat tours... and hell, I'm educating myself to REALLY fight terror, instead of just riding around behind a machine gun until someone decides to blow me up.

Well now to the point... I know it's a little hard to ask this, since this is the first time, but what do you guys see happening to no-shows? Apparently about 90% who've received the letter think nothing much, but anyone got any evidence or military law experience to wager an educated guess? Secondly, any evidence about what to expect? Is this just the exact same thing the other services do regularly, or will this be different? Not to worried by what the Navy and Air Force do, but if this is an "Individual Warrior" transformation experience and they tell me when I can show up to an Infantry refresher course, I'll shit a brick.

Ok, one more question, just for those that have received the muster orders, what MOS? 11B here, and it seems like mostly that and just a few others so far, which is bad- last time IRR called it only attempted to produce certain MOS's that were lacking. So is there a big range of MOS's here? Thanks.

25C here. I guess thats what it is now, that they changed my MOS 2 years after being out. ?.?.?.? I don't !@#$ing know.

Can they punish us for not showing? I talked to a long time friend still in, in high places,(as stated above) he said orders like these will not get taken lightly. granted the callups of a while back people slipped through the cracks, but this is different. Army is trying to fix it's mistakes. Leaving me to believe they won't take no shows lightly.

What do I think about this? your guess is as good as mine, but i'm not going to wait for orders after I update my info. I'll do the guard for 6 months and be gone with my 24 months stabilization.

Thanks

Angry IRR

One of the first thing kids learn as they get older is when you lie get your story straight. The official Army version of this "muster" states that this is a test group of 5,000 IRR soldiers living within 50 miles of Ft, Lewis, WA; Fort Totten, N.Y.; Fort Meade, Md.; or Los Alamitos, CA. I received my muster orders and I live in San Antonio, TX. Did they forget to mention us or are they conviently giving half the story? I have a friend in Florida who also recieved a muster letter, ordered to report to Jacksonville. How many stations weren't mentioned? How many soldiers are actually in this "TEST GROUP"? What's the real motivation? Can anyone that has ever served in the US ARMY honestly say that in all the time they've served they've never been lied to or mislead? I will go to this muster and if recalled to active duty I will serve to best of my ability. For all those out there that continue to question the patriotism of former soldiers who ponder whether or not they'll answer this muster, RE ENLIST!!! This war has taken enough from me and my family.

Well im a 92F but when i was in iraq 04-05 they didnt even use us. They had private contractors and iraqis doing our job. As for me i was put with cooks, mechanics and other unimportant MOS's and made into a patrol platoon. Im amazed we didnt get killed out there because we didnt know what the fu** we were doing.

97e here, just got my letter today.

The way I see it the Army is a raw deal from day one...those who say otherwise tend to be the LIFER crowd. Lazy Incompetent F*cks Expecting Retirement.

I live within 50 miles of the Fort Totten, NY location, but was ordered to report to somewhere else entirely, much closer.

That article is not telling the full story in any way. The letter I got along with the orders states that this is not a mobilization muster (in bold print, two times)...but that doesn't mean that this isn't a qualification for a mobilization muster.

I will go, politely decline any opportunities to re-enlist, and speak my peace to anyone willing to listen.

As for those that have questioned people's service, the most bitter people are those who have given the most...there's a reason why we're angry. Incompetent leadership on all levels, waste of immense proportions (time, money, equipment), and treating grown adults like children are all major detractors. I enlisted for 6 years active, 2 years inactive, and have 6 months left in the IRR. The way I see it, the IRR is now what people were calling it 5 years ago, a backdoor draft.

It's easy to sit somewhere knowing that you'll never have to go anywhere, but it's a whole different feeling when you know that you don't control your own fate...and even worse, that bumbling fools do! I've served with men like Maj. Prilosec (SIC Intentional), and they are the reason I got out.

On that note, there are a number of ways that you can serve your country, but if your intent was to skate through a career until retirement without actually doing anything by way of a deployment, you would have been a better service to your country in the Postal Service. In one-third of the military time you've served, i've done far more than you can do...and I know this by the way you hedge your statements.

I actively talk people out of enlisting, and will until the Army realizes that they can be more capable if they were to eliminate 95% of their officer corps, as well as another 25% or so of the senior enlisted. This ain't your grandfather's war...we shouldn't be fighting it the same way.

Here is one thing to keep in mind folks. Did the Army send your muster orders certified mail???? If they did not then there is no way they can confirm you received them and along those same lines no way they can punish you for something they cannot prove you received. In previous IRR call ups for mobilization the orders came by way of certified mail so that the green machine could track those that actually received their orders by way of signature for certified mail. For those of you that keep asking about punishment I would say to you that there is very little chance of anything happening if you no-show. For those of us in civilian careers that require certain amounts of honesty/integrity such as law enforcement you may want to think twice about no-showing since integrity violations tend to be career killers in our line of work, i.e. change agencies or maybe promote and have to go through another polygraph. What am I going to do? I'll show up and mock any foolish recruiter who attempts to use scare tactics to try and get me to re-up in some way, shape, or form. As a response to another post I saw here telling you not to give them any copies of anything I say that the less appealing you make yourself to the army the less likely they are to want you back, things like education, training, and good physical appearance/health make you much more desirable and may be things you want to keep omitted from your record. I'm not suggesting you falsify records but you might now want to tell them about that great college education you now have and the awesome physical shape you have kept yourself in.

A response to the Major who started this post: You are ignorant. Before anyone else posted anything on this thread you passed judgement on them with your comments. In my experience it is people like you who caused the best and brightest to leave the army either active or reserve. In most cases the best officers I ever met were either prior enlisted or knew how to listen well to their enlisted soldiers. You discrace yourself with your poorly thought out comments and discrace the enlisted world for having apparently forgotten everything it taught you before becoming an officer. FYI I had the choice to become either and chose enlisted where I became an NCO. My thoughts on that were if I wanted to eventually become a career officer I needed to be a troop being led by one first.

Two time combat vet 11B2P here who did his IRR homework before leaving and spread the wealth of that knowledge to all his soldiers.

NOTICE: I was recalled to active duty out of the IRR 2.5 years ago and was reclassed and sent to Iraq. The most important thing I learned during the recall process is that I was one of few who showed up out of the many who were sent orders and those that didn't show up? Nothing.... One of the soldiers working at one of our initial mob stations told me that they were told to expect something like 75% of the actual number and that the army had called up more than they needed because they expected a large number of people not to show up. The trick here is... once you show up, your SOL, but if you don't... nothing.

I also received muster orders, you all have fun but count me out... but do please let us all know what went on and if you can any idea if we'll all be heading to the desert, again....